Official Statements Regarding Copyright Issues at Haven

Hi Haveners~

I am @Mathed from Yoo Ah In Haven team (YAIHaven).  First of all, I would like to apologize about not being able to update Haven as often as I could due to the breakdown of my laptop for the past several weeks.  Now I got my new laptop back, hopefully, I can slowly catch up with all the updates of Ah In at Haven.

Before I start updating, there is something that I need to clarify.  Since the establishment of Haven, we, the administrators have been working very hard not only to keep up with all the news and photos of Ah In but also to keep good relationships with Ah In’s fans from all over the world.  With the help of our k-translators at haven, we have collaborated with Ah In’s Korean fans many times at several occasions to show our love and support of Ah In.  Besides Haven, which is a wordpress blog, we also operate an official twitter and youtube accounts.  However, we do not have an official facebook account.  There are a few facebook fanpages of Ah In.  Among those, one will be the center of what we, Haven’s administrators, need to make a statement about due to several incidents that have occurred.

As the number of Haven’s members grew, the number of Haven’s administrators also grew.  All the administrators at Haven have volunteered their own time to help with different areas such as graphic designs, translating videos and news, subbing videos, managing youtube and twitter account, and updating posts.  We come together and welcome all of Ah In’s fans at Haven as a family regardless where they are from.  We love to share everything about Ah In with all his fans but we also respect all work and their original owners.  Therefore, we are very careful when it comes to the information that we share at Haven.  For example, when reposting photos/artworks/videos, I always try my best to obtain permissions from the original owners and give them proper credits by including the sources clearly in the posts.

The problem is that complains regarding illegal posting still occurred.  And they were all from a particular facebook fangage.  After some investigations and observations, we realized that one of the facebook fanpages has Haven’s name in its url.  Haven was not informed by the owner about using haven’s name in its url.  Since its url includes YAIHaven, many have mistakenly thought Haven owns that facebook fangage.  And that is also why Haven was getting hit by the complains.

Normally, when that happens, we usually first explain that Haven is not associated with that fanpage and advise the person to send the request directly to the owner of the facebook fanpage.  The request can be asking for proper citing or simply asking for deleting the post.  Here is one very serious incident that happened.  The owner of that facebook fanpage illegally posted photos from a paid membership area of Ah In’s official fanclub.  This behavior is clearly not showing any respect to Ah In. Ah In’s agency, and fellow Ah In fans.  The request of deleting the post was sent.  However, the post was not deleted until requests were repeated several times.

Meanwhile, we also attempt to contact the owner of that fanpage.  However, the owner did not respond at first to an e-mail sent by the founder of Haven, Tiny nim.  In addition, even with many requests were done about these illegal postings (posting without permissions, posting without proper citing, and posting information that were not meant to share outside of the community), the owner does not seem to understand the importance of proper posting.  And that is making many of us angry.  Not only the owner used Haven’s name without permission, illegal posting still continue which destroys the reputation that Haven has been working hard to maintain.  Therefore, all the key administrators and key haveners from different regions came together and had a very serious discussion about this issue.  We decided that it will be best to request the owner of that facebook fanpage to close the page or to change the url so Haven’s name does not appear anywhere.

And this time, the owner finally responded.  After our explanations of our request, it is clearly that the owner does not wish to cooperate with us. Therefore, Haven is calling all haveners to take actions.  More details about further decision and steps will be posted soon.

In addition, below are statements made by Anne nim and Furbabe nim.  Both are also Haven’s administrators.  By posting all our statements here, I am hoping that it will help all of you to see the whole picture regarding to this issue.

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Hello #Haveners!

I am @annnsow from yooahinhaven’s team. I’ve been taking care of the official twitter account of YAIHaven.  Two years ago, when our blog opened, I used to post old interviews of Ah In.  YooahinHaven opened in October 2010.  The founder of this website is @Tinysunbl. We created the basis of Yoo Ah In’s international fandom by calling each other #Haveners.  Because to us, this fandom is a precious place in which we warmly welcome every new fan who joins us.

One month later, a facebook page that doesn’t belong to us opened as well. We weren’t really aware of the fact that a person who created the facebook page did it under our name until some months ago.  That facebook page has never been official.

We happily started to share information given by the fans to complete what our amazing team shared on our website. We have always tried to respect the fans’ permissions to share their works, whether they were Korean, Japanese or from any other countries. You’ll notice that we always properly provide sources and credits for our information. We also thank fans who permit us to do so.

Unfortunately, although we’ve always tried to respect those conditions, we have been mistaken for a certain facebook fanpage, in which the owner shares pics and information without the consent of the owners. This angered many fans, who asked this person to stop her shameless actions for several months.  However, that didn’t stop the owner of the fanpage to go on. But the problem is that this facebook fanpage is under our name and we were accused as well. Of course, it would be easy to warn all the fans from all around the world that the facebook page doesn’t belong to us even though it is already damaging our image and all the efforts we put into the creation of the YooAhInHaven’s fandom. But, another problem is even more important.  This person has shared illegal information. Those information are only available if you paid a membership in Yoo Ah In’s official’s fanclub. Now, we are particularly worried about this.  Because all of this is done under our name, we could have problems which we never asked for. Most of all, because of this, we will be perceived as fans who don’t respect Yoo Ah In himself and his own agency. Those are illegal information that shouldn’t be spread and those acts are punishable by the law. What are we supposed to do?

Well of course, we had to talk to the owner of this fanpage. First we asked this person to erase our name from the fanpage.  That way, this person will be the only one to take responsibilities for her own actions. Unfortunately, we understood that Facebook wouldn’t let the person modify the page since she already did that before.  And, Facebook only allows this action once.

While debating with the team, and talking with the owner who didn’t seem to be that opened to cooperate with us and who kept giving excuses such as “I didn’t know, I thought that Haven was a name given by Ah In, you can always create your second YAIHaven’s page”, two options came out of our discussions:

1. Ask her to delete the fanpage.
2. Take over the page and do a major cleaning for the unauthorized items and ask permissions for posting. In addition, we must notify the viewers that YAIhaven is taking over this person’s facebook fanpage. It’s not her personal page anymore. Any previous Incidents are not related to YaIhaven i.e. with JFC (three times).

Here was our decision that I sent to this person:

Hi!  I am going to tell you what we have decided.  We decided to ask you to close your facebook page.

Here are our reasons: 

– First this decision has been made because the Facebook page is under our website’s name, which is the reason all of us have been angered by your actions and have felt bothered by the situation.

– You have shared, under our name, several pictures and informations without having the fans’ permission. That alone damages the image we’ve tried to keep from the very start of this blog. But even worse: you have shared illegal informations, pictures that were only available if you have a paid membership to AH IN’s fanclub. We could get terrible consequences because of that, since there is a huge possibility your FB page will be considered as connected to us. We do not have to take responsability for your own and single actions, because this is not our fault.

– We can not let this facebook page opened because there are too many informations and pictures that have to be taken out.

– We do not want to be part of your team because firstly, this facebook page has a story that doesn’t respect our original way of doing things (aka respect the fans and AH IN), secondly because we thought that you wouldn’t accept to resign as an admin and let us take over your FB page, thirdly because if we have to create something we prefer that it comes out as clean from the start to the end; Finally, because we wouldn’t be able to explain why we took over your FB page, that doesn’t seem to be something that we would be proud to do, and to present to all the haveners.

If you want to start another FB page, go ahead as long as that doesn’t have our website’s name on it and as long as it is not associated to us. You will be alone to take your responsabilities. We can’t bear responsabilities we never asked for.

I will give you one day to close it and do all the necessary things. I am waiting for your answer whether it is positive or negative, I will still give you one day to think about it.

After that, if you didn’t close your FB page, we will act differently, we already discuessed about that.

Sorry for replying so late, it was an important decision, but all the members who participated to the debate agreed with this decision, which means it was taken by the majority of YAIHaven’s team.

IF you want to write an apology, you can still do it, as I said previoulsy.

  • YAIHaven’s team.

This person’s answer:

what are you talking about? close your facebook page?   I gave the labori can’t do this, i’m not going to do this. i will declare that I don’t cooperate with you. and i will  write an apology. you can create a fb page named yooahinhaven.

After a negative answer, we would like you to help us spread those information. Again, more details about further decision and steps will be posted soon.

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Hi lovely #haveners !
I am @Furbabe from Yoo Ah In Haven team (YAIHaven). I was asked by the owner of Haven’s site, @Tinysunbl, to take care of YAIHaven official Youtube account since early 2011. The Haven website itself was established in 2010.
The name of “Haven” was created through voting and discussion among the members. The word “Haven” means “a place” or “refuge”. People who started YAIHaven clearly have that in mind, that is, a place for anything related to Yoo Ah In.We are committed to rule of conducts that we respect copyrights of works and the original owners on everything that we do. We already had 3

successful international projects: Good Luck 10K Papercranes project (March 2011), Yoo Ah In birthday project (Oct 2011), and Yoo Ah In New York Snack project (Feb 2012). Thanks to these projects, YAIHaven gained attention and was mentioned several times on Korean media. We have a good relationship with Yoo Ah In’s agency as well. In short, we are an international fansclub with good reputation.

However, lately we found out that our fansclub name has been used by irresponsible person as a facebook fanpage link without our consent. We found out there she posted many pictures/videos/artworks that she took without permission from other fandoms and bloggers. The copyrights violations she has done resulted in complaints from several parties to Haven’s team, although wasn’t made formally and openly on YAIHaven’s website.We also found out later that she advertised her facebook link that contains YAIHaven’s name on her Youtube accounts too, normally on the information box of her uploaded videos. Unfortunately, some of these videos are also taken from the original owners without permissions/proper credits.

We have explained to her that we were hold responsible by other people violated by her action because of her using YAIHaven name. That’s why we want her to change the name, that’s all about, nothing more. She stated that she has tried to change the name but failed to do so. Thus, the only option we could offer to her is closing her fanpage. But she refused by saying she has put her hard work on it.

I have written our suggestion in her facebook page, that she can put up an announcement that she’s migrating to the new page, and she can move all of the contents of her current page to the new one, and I believe all her followers will gladly continue to subscribe to her new page. As long as she stops using Haven’s name, we will not bother to bring this issue up.

If she brings up the hard work (“labor”) she has put on the current page, and that she has to do it all over again on the new page, then it’s a consequence she has to face for the irresponsible decisions she made on the first place.

Though we believe it’s a simple rationale, we found out that she has no good intention and is not capable enough to understand our point. Thus, we will take further actions to put this matter to an end. In the meantime, I hope that everyone can give us full support and help us spreading these information that we are not associated with her facebook and youtube accounts.

Thank you.

Yoo Ah In New York Snack Project Report

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Hi Haveners~

How are you?  First of all, I am sorry that I haven’t been keeping up with the updates for Haven these days since I am still recovering from all these activities for the project.  But, I did finally finish the report of the event! ^ ^

Ever since the news of Ah In coming to NYC for shooting his upcoming drama 패션왕 came out, many ideas had been floating around from giving Ah In presents to providing meals.  After many discussions, the Haven’s Yoo Ah In New York Snack Project was born.  And, me, being in NY, of course, became the person in charge of Haven’s Yoo Ah In New York Snack Project!

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Updates of Yoo Ah In’s Recent CFs

Hi haveners~

How are you?  It seems that many of you have been quite busy these days…  With all the CFs that Ah In recently did, here are some new ones that were released~

First, let’s take a look at the official 60s CF for Chamisul Soju~

And here are Chamisul Soju behind-the-scene photos~

Originally Posted by Beer2Day~

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Now, let’s move on to DIADORA~

Here is Ah In’s DIADORA CF clip~
And here is an interview of it~
Now, here are Ah In’s DIADORA’s photo~
Originally Posted by DIADORA~

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Tweets of Yoo Ah In on 1/18/2012

Hi Haveners~

Ah In did a couple tweets today~ KoreanGossipGirl@twitter is very nice and allows me to share her English translations of Ah In’s tweets~ Below are her English translations:

Here is the first one:

유머는 다큐로 받아서 심각하게 팔아대고 U take humor as documentary then sell it as serious (matter)

진심은 예능으로 받아서 우습게 팔아버린다. and sell true heart as comedy (fun)..

그나마도 팔리니 다행인건가. Sure I happy about it because at least it can still sell?

뼈는 없고 껍데기만 너덜거린다. There’s no bone, only empty shell (skin) is worn

겉만 핥다가 진짜를 보는 법을 잊어버린건가. You forget how to look at real (truth) while you look at skin deep?

Here is the second one:

한번 더 들여다보고 Look one more time

한번 더 고민하고 agonize one more time..

한번 더 생각하고 think one more time..

한번쯤은 뒤집어도 보고 at least try to think opposite..

그렇게 제 안에 넣는게 귀찮은 일이라 But take that step to put it into you is too annoyed

그토록 편리했던 모든 당신은 But person like you who only want easy thing,

언제든 타인의 그런 게으름으로 당신이 쏘았던 과녁에 세워질 수 있다. Can be on the target anytime by other people’s laziness

Yoo Ah In’s Recent Activities

Hi Haveners~

How are you these days?  Haven’s Snack Project is going well so far~ If you wish to be part of it, please check our Yoo Ah In New York Snack Project post~ Our tentative deadline is January 31~ So, in another week or so, I will update the post to inform everyone how things are going with that~

Now, Ah In has been quite busy after his singing on twitter~ Not only he decided on his next project but also made several CFs~

So, let’s start with Ah In’s promised video~This time, thanks to our Jamie K nim’s translations, I was able to make the subtitles~ 🙂

Now, if you haven’t had a chance to see the rehearsal of Ah In’s singing, here is the clip that Manager Santa shared~

Next, let’s follow Ah In’s busy January schedule that was posted by 시기시기홍싴 at DCInside~

1/5 Dia Dora Photo/Video Shooting~ Here are a few news photos~ Doesn’t Ah In look like a professional soccer player?! ^ ^

Photo Originally Posted by SporTalKorea~

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And, here is a video clip of the interview during this photoshoot~

1/6 Samchully Bike Ad Shooting~ Here is the video clip of the shooting~

And let’s first take a look at some of Ah In’s Samchully Bike news photos~

Photo Originally Posted by Chosun~

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Now, let’s take a look at the ones that are on Samchully Bike website~

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And here is a very nice and big poster from Metro Bike~

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1/8 ‘Fashion King’ Start Filming~

1/9 ‘Fashion King’ Filming~

1/10 Chamyiseul Ad Shooting~ Here is a clip of the shooting~

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1/11 ‘Fashion King’ Filming~

1/12 to 19 Jack & Jill Photo Shoot~

Here is something that wasn’t in his official schedule~ Some of you may still remember that Ah In went to visit St. Mary’s for charity with his official fanclub Ainese last year~ This year, he was there again with Ainese!  And, he went there on 1/7 which was the day right before his first day shooting of ‘Fashion King’~ Here are some of the photos posted by Ainese~PhotobucketPhotobucketPhotobucketPhotobucketPhotobucketPhotobucket

Ok~ That’s it for now~ Hope that helps all of you catch up with what Ah In has been up to these days~ Until next time… 🙂

[Update 1/25/2012] Yoo Ah In New York Snack Project

Hi Haveners~

As many of you already know, Ah In will be in New York next month~ Few haveners and I have been tossing different ideas for a project for Haven recently~ We finally decided to call this project our “Snack Project”~

Update: As of today, 1/25/2012, we already have 100 haveners who participated in the project and raised more than our target amount.  Since Tiny nim is not back to US yet, these figures do not include the ones who donated directly through paypal on Haven’s website.  I am very grateful for everyone who has been in great support of this project!  Since we have enough funds, besides the ‘menu’ we had from before, I am planning to add some more buns if I can find a good bakery nearby.  In addition, I will also send lovely edible arrangements for both Ah In and his manager.  When deliver the snack, hopefully, with the help of our Haven’s artist team, we can also prepare a nice poster with all the participants’ names and present that to Ah In.  Instead of getting Ah In gifts, any extra amount that after all the snack project cost being deducted will be donated to charity under Ah In’s name which will make this project much more meaningful~ Thanks again for all the support!! 🙂

Project: Yoo Ah In New York Snack Project

Project Leader: mathed

Treasurer: tinysunbl

Closing Date/Last Day to Receive Fund: Jan. 31, 2012 (tentative)

Donation Taret: $350

What is a “Snack Project” you may ask…  Since Ah In will be in New York for the filming of ‘Fashion King,’ it will be a great opportunity for us to show our support for Ah In and his new drama by sending the whole filming crew snacks and drinks~ All the contributors names and countries will be listed in the card that will be given to Ah In~^ ^~

After gathering information and discussions, here is the proposed menu for this project~

Drink: Bubble Tea (珍珠奶茶)

Snacks: Fried Chicken nuggets (鹽酥雞), Fried Squid Balls (花枝丸), Fried Fishcakes (甜不辣), Fried Pork Blood Rice (紫米糕)

Dessert: Small Cream Cakes (奶油餅)

[Note: Fried Pork Blood Rice is not really made with pork blood anymore.  It’s actually a vegetarian dish that uses purple rice to make it.  Also, the small cream cake is like 大判焼き but not with the red bean filling. Instead, it’s with cream filling.]

Mode of Donation:

PayPal

For fans who live in Indonesia, follow @Furbabe @ailave and @SweetGodzilla on twitter for in-country donation plan.

For fans who live in Japan, please email zess at zess1012[at]gmail.com for in-country donation plan.

For fans who live in Thailand, follow @staywithringo on twitter or email Lobsterbisque at kalambasuta1[at]yahoo.com for in-country donation plan.

For fans who live in Philippines, follow @KitsuneMD  @d_lawbreaker and @Ashasummer on twitter or email KitsuneMD at kristinvenice[at]gmail.com for in-country donation plan. 

Depending on the fund we get, once the snack budget is reached, we can also prepare Ah In a present.  Also, if anyone who is willing to be the key person for the in-country donation plan, please leave a comment below~ I will update the post as needed~ 🙂

P.S. To: Furbabe, ailave, zess, kuku, Haydi, Asha, and Tiny~ Thank you, girls~

Yoo Ah In’s Photos of Jack & Jill Signing Event on 12/29/2011 in Mokdong – Fan’s Photos

Hi Haveners~

I can’t believe that the year of 2011 is coming to an end~ I hope everyone had a great year!

Ah In did another Jack & Jill Signing event in Mokdong on 12/29/2011~ Here are some, or I should really say many, great photos taken by both bakedbanana nim and Moo I nim~ They are too good to be put in a slide show~ So here they are!!  Hopefully, you will enjoy them as much as I did! 🙂

First set is taken by Bakedbanana nim~

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Second set is taken by Moo I nim~

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Now, here is a slide show for the ones that were posted by Jack & Jill Facebook~

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Afterthoughts of ‘완득이’

Hi Haveners~

After watching 완득이, friends had asked me to write a review~ I have been thinking about it for a while now~ Finally, here is what I have…  These are some afterthoughts of mine…  I am sharing them with you~ Can it be considered as a review?! haha~ You can decide it~

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Ever since I found out that ‘Punch’ will be showing in New York Metropolitan area, I have been counting the days and trying to figuring out a way to get to the theater.  After some planning, I finally managed to figure out when and how so that I can get to the theater in New Jersey.

The day finally was here.  We decided to leave early just to make sure that we don’t miss the movie due to the traffic that often occurs in NYC.  The theater is not in New York but in New Jersey.  So, we have to go through the NYC traffic and cross the George Washington Bridge to get to the theater.  Unfortunately, as we were getting closer, we took a wrong turn which made us ended up on the road that we couldn’t make the right exit!!  After 15 minutes of going around, we finally got on the right side of the road and got to the theater in one piece.

Before seeing the movie, I had read many articles and interviews about it.  So, I did know the story line.  If you are interested in the synopsis of the movie, you can click here to read about it.

Wan-deuk, played by Ah In, is a 17-year-old student who was always by himself and did not get along with anyone.  He sort of separated himself from his peers.  It feels like as if he was looking at this world as an outsider.  What’s happening in his classroom with his classmates did not concern him at all.  He didn’t do well at school and often got into fist fights.  Since his father was a dancer in a cabaret, he pretty much spent most of the time there as he was growing up.  His father took in a guy who was mentally challenged and taught the guy how to dance.  Eventually, the two of them worked together to earn their living on the road when the cabaret closed down.  To Wan-deuk, that was his family.  And that was how he lived.

However, things started to change when he met his homeroom teacher, Dong-ju, who ended up to be a social activist and happened to be his neighbor also.  Dong-ju showed his care of Wan-deuk through a very unique way.  It almost appears that Dong-ju enjoyed picking on Wan-deuk to the point where Wan-deuk always prayed for Dong-ju to be dead.  But, through the process, Dong-ju brought Wan-deuk and his long lost mother back together.  It was very touching when Wan-deuk took his mother to buy a pair of new shoes and then took her to the bus stop.  She asked if she could give him a hug.  The emotion between the two actors was just so moving.

Meanwhile, Wan-deuk also “discovered” that Dong-ju was just a human being like himself.  Dong-ju even asked Wan-deuk for advice on how to get a girl’s attention.  Dong-ju even copied Wan-deuk’s love letter.  The funny part was it actually did work.  I have to say the love letter was very cute.

In addition, Dong-ju also introduced Wan-deuk kickboxing.  It sure helps to release all that extra energy in a 17-year-old boy.  It also gave him a sense of goal in his life.  Although in a match, he got beaten up pretty badly, at the end of the match, he was finally laughing so happily.  It appeared that he was satisfied even if he lost the match.  With the help of Dong-ju, Wan-deuk finally opened up and started to be with his peers just like a 17-year-old boy would do.

One thing that I haven’t mentioned is their relationship with another “crazy” neighbor.  From being fighting all the time to being getting along at the end, the movie shows how different people can tolerate each other and find a way to get along.  Again, I feel that in this movie, it shows how different relationships evolved through time and how their interactions bring them closer to each other despite many differences among them.  There are a couple different issues which were brought up in the movie that are important, such as multicultural relationships and illegal immigrants.

Overall, it is, just like many had said, a very heart-warming movie.  It’s funny, refreshing, touching, and yet brings attentions to some social issues that exist in the current society.  The interactions between actors and how they portray their roles are really good and natural. Especially, I feel that Ah In did a great job portraying the role of Wan-deuk.  Throughout the movie, Ah In displayed so many detailed gestures that can only be found in a 17-year-old boy.  He showed them with his body languages, with his facial expressions, and with his eyes.  I have to say I really enjoyed the movie.

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Yoo Ah In – Power Interview Video (Subbed) and His Promised Video

Hi Haveners~

Below is the video clip of Ah In’s Power Interview on 11/2/2011 with English Subtitles~ Thank you for waiting it patiently! 🙂

If you can’t view it, please click here~

Also, many of you remember that Ah In promised to sing and dance on twitter once the movie hit five millions in box office~ On 12/23, Ah In did exactly that!  It has to be the best Christmas present for all his fans!! 🙂