Official Statements Regarding Copyright Issues at Haven

Hi Haveners~

I am @Mathed from Yoo Ah In Haven team (YAIHaven).  First of all, I would like to apologize about not being able to update Haven as often as I could due to the breakdown of my laptop for the past several weeks.  Now I got my new laptop back, hopefully, I can slowly catch up with all the updates of Ah In at Haven.

Before I start updating, there is something that I need to clarify.  Since the establishment of Haven, we, the administrators have been working very hard not only to keep up with all the news and photos of Ah In but also to keep good relationships with Ah In’s fans from all over the world.  With the help of our k-translators at haven, we have collaborated with Ah In’s Korean fans many times at several occasions to show our love and support of Ah In.  Besides Haven, which is a wordpress blog, we also operate an official twitter and youtube accounts.  However, we do not have an official facebook account.  There are a few facebook fanpages of Ah In.  Among those, one will be the center of what we, Haven’s administrators, need to make a statement about due to several incidents that have occurred.

As the number of Haven’s members grew, the number of Haven’s administrators also grew.  All the administrators at Haven have volunteered their own time to help with different areas such as graphic designs, translating videos and news, subbing videos, managing youtube and twitter account, and updating posts.  We come together and welcome all of Ah In’s fans at Haven as a family regardless where they are from.  We love to share everything about Ah In with all his fans but we also respect all work and their original owners.  Therefore, we are very careful when it comes to the information that we share at Haven.  For example, when reposting photos/artworks/videos, I always try my best to obtain permissions from the original owners and give them proper credits by including the sources clearly in the posts.

The problem is that complains regarding illegal posting still occurred.  And they were all from a particular facebook fangage.  After some investigations and observations, we realized that one of the facebook fanpages has Haven’s name in its url.  Haven was not informed by the owner about using haven’s name in its url.  Since its url includes YAIHaven, many have mistakenly thought Haven owns that facebook fangage.  And that is also why Haven was getting hit by the complains.

Normally, when that happens, we usually first explain that Haven is not associated with that fanpage and advise the person to send the request directly to the owner of the facebook fanpage.  The request can be asking for proper citing or simply asking for deleting the post.  Here is one very serious incident that happened.  The owner of that facebook fanpage illegally posted photos from a paid membership area of Ah In’s official fanclub.  This behavior is clearly not showing any respect to Ah In. Ah In’s agency, and fellow Ah In fans.  The request of deleting the post was sent.  However, the post was not deleted until requests were repeated several times.

Meanwhile, we also attempt to contact the owner of that fanpage.  However, the owner did not respond at first to an e-mail sent by the founder of Haven, Tiny nim.  In addition, even with many requests were done about these illegal postings (posting without permissions, posting without proper citing, and posting information that were not meant to share outside of the community), the owner does not seem to understand the importance of proper posting.  And that is making many of us angry.  Not only the owner used Haven’s name without permission, illegal posting still continue which destroys the reputation that Haven has been working hard to maintain.  Therefore, all the key administrators and key haveners from different regions came together and had a very serious discussion about this issue.  We decided that it will be best to request the owner of that facebook fanpage to close the page or to change the url so Haven’s name does not appear anywhere.

And this time, the owner finally responded.  After our explanations of our request, it is clearly that the owner does not wish to cooperate with us. Therefore, Haven is calling all haveners to take actions.  More details about further decision and steps will be posted soon.

In addition, below are statements made by Anne nim and Furbabe nim.  Both are also Haven’s administrators.  By posting all our statements here, I am hoping that it will help all of you to see the whole picture regarding to this issue.

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Hello #Haveners!

I am @annnsow from yooahinhaven’s team. I’ve been taking care of the official twitter account of YAIHaven.  Two years ago, when our blog opened, I used to post old interviews of Ah In.  YooahinHaven opened in October 2010.  The founder of this website is @Tinysunbl. We created the basis of Yoo Ah In’s international fandom by calling each other #Haveners.  Because to us, this fandom is a precious place in which we warmly welcome every new fan who joins us.

One month later, a facebook page that doesn’t belong to us opened as well. We weren’t really aware of the fact that a person who created the facebook page did it under our name until some months ago.  That facebook page has never been official.

We happily started to share information given by the fans to complete what our amazing team shared on our website. We have always tried to respect the fans’ permissions to share their works, whether they were Korean, Japanese or from any other countries. You’ll notice that we always properly provide sources and credits for our information. We also thank fans who permit us to do so.

Unfortunately, although we’ve always tried to respect those conditions, we have been mistaken for a certain facebook fanpage, in which the owner shares pics and information without the consent of the owners. This angered many fans, who asked this person to stop her shameless actions for several months.  However, that didn’t stop the owner of the fanpage to go on. But the problem is that this facebook fanpage is under our name and we were accused as well. Of course, it would be easy to warn all the fans from all around the world that the facebook page doesn’t belong to us even though it is already damaging our image and all the efforts we put into the creation of the YooAhInHaven’s fandom. But, another problem is even more important.  This person has shared illegal information. Those information are only available if you paid a membership in Yoo Ah In’s official’s fanclub. Now, we are particularly worried about this.  Because all of this is done under our name, we could have problems which we never asked for. Most of all, because of this, we will be perceived as fans who don’t respect Yoo Ah In himself and his own agency. Those are illegal information that shouldn’t be spread and those acts are punishable by the law. What are we supposed to do?

Well of course, we had to talk to the owner of this fanpage. First we asked this person to erase our name from the fanpage.  That way, this person will be the only one to take responsibilities for her own actions. Unfortunately, we understood that Facebook wouldn’t let the person modify the page since she already did that before.  And, Facebook only allows this action once.

While debating with the team, and talking with the owner who didn’t seem to be that opened to cooperate with us and who kept giving excuses such as “I didn’t know, I thought that Haven was a name given by Ah In, you can always create your second YAIHaven’s page”, two options came out of our discussions:

1. Ask her to delete the fanpage.
2. Take over the page and do a major cleaning for the unauthorized items and ask permissions for posting. In addition, we must notify the viewers that YAIhaven is taking over this person’s facebook fanpage. It’s not her personal page anymore. Any previous Incidents are not related to YaIhaven i.e. with JFC (three times).

Here was our decision that I sent to this person:

Hi!  I am going to tell you what we have decided.  We decided to ask you to close your facebook page.

Here are our reasons: 

– First this decision has been made because the Facebook page is under our website’s name, which is the reason all of us have been angered by your actions and have felt bothered by the situation.

– You have shared, under our name, several pictures and informations without having the fans’ permission. That alone damages the image we’ve tried to keep from the very start of this blog. But even worse: you have shared illegal informations, pictures that were only available if you have a paid membership to AH IN’s fanclub. We could get terrible consequences because of that, since there is a huge possibility your FB page will be considered as connected to us. We do not have to take responsability for your own and single actions, because this is not our fault.

– We can not let this facebook page opened because there are too many informations and pictures that have to be taken out.

– We do not want to be part of your team because firstly, this facebook page has a story that doesn’t respect our original way of doing things (aka respect the fans and AH IN), secondly because we thought that you wouldn’t accept to resign as an admin and let us take over your FB page, thirdly because if we have to create something we prefer that it comes out as clean from the start to the end; Finally, because we wouldn’t be able to explain why we took over your FB page, that doesn’t seem to be something that we would be proud to do, and to present to all the haveners.

If you want to start another FB page, go ahead as long as that doesn’t have our website’s name on it and as long as it is not associated to us. You will be alone to take your responsabilities. We can’t bear responsabilities we never asked for.

I will give you one day to close it and do all the necessary things. I am waiting for your answer whether it is positive or negative, I will still give you one day to think about it.

After that, if you didn’t close your FB page, we will act differently, we already discuessed about that.

Sorry for replying so late, it was an important decision, but all the members who participated to the debate agreed with this decision, which means it was taken by the majority of YAIHaven’s team.

IF you want to write an apology, you can still do it, as I said previoulsy.

  • YAIHaven’s team.

This person’s answer:

what are you talking about? close your facebook page?   I gave the labori can’t do this, i’m not going to do this. i will declare that I don’t cooperate with you. and i will  write an apology. you can create a fb page named yooahinhaven.

After a negative answer, we would like you to help us spread those information. Again, more details about further decision and steps will be posted soon.

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Hi lovely #haveners !
I am @Furbabe from Yoo Ah In Haven team (YAIHaven). I was asked by the owner of Haven’s site, @Tinysunbl, to take care of YAIHaven official Youtube account since early 2011. The Haven website itself was established in 2010.
The name of “Haven” was created through voting and discussion among the members. The word “Haven” means “a place” or “refuge”. People who started YAIHaven clearly have that in mind, that is, a place for anything related to Yoo Ah In.We are committed to rule of conducts that we respect copyrights of works and the original owners on everything that we do. We already had 3

successful international projects: Good Luck 10K Papercranes project (March 2011), Yoo Ah In birthday project (Oct 2011), and Yoo Ah In New York Snack project (Feb 2012). Thanks to these projects, YAIHaven gained attention and was mentioned several times on Korean media. We have a good relationship with Yoo Ah In’s agency as well. In short, we are an international fansclub with good reputation.

However, lately we found out that our fansclub name has been used by irresponsible person as a facebook fanpage link without our consent. We found out there she posted many pictures/videos/artworks that she took without permission from other fandoms and bloggers. The copyrights violations she has done resulted in complaints from several parties to Haven’s team, although wasn’t made formally and openly on YAIHaven’s website.We also found out later that she advertised her facebook link that contains YAIHaven’s name on her Youtube accounts too, normally on the information box of her uploaded videos. Unfortunately, some of these videos are also taken from the original owners without permissions/proper credits.

We have explained to her that we were hold responsible by other people violated by her action because of her using YAIHaven name. That’s why we want her to change the name, that’s all about, nothing more. She stated that she has tried to change the name but failed to do so. Thus, the only option we could offer to her is closing her fanpage. But she refused by saying she has put her hard work on it.

I have written our suggestion in her facebook page, that she can put up an announcement that she’s migrating to the new page, and she can move all of the contents of her current page to the new one, and I believe all her followers will gladly continue to subscribe to her new page. As long as she stops using Haven’s name, we will not bother to bring this issue up.

If she brings up the hard work (“labor”) she has put on the current page, and that she has to do it all over again on the new page, then it’s a consequence she has to face for the irresponsible decisions she made on the first place.

Though we believe it’s a simple rationale, we found out that she has no good intention and is not capable enough to understand our point. Thus, we will take further actions to put this matter to an end. In the meantime, I hope that everyone can give us full support and help us spreading these information that we are not associated with her facebook and youtube accounts.

Thank you.

Yoo Ah In New York Snack Project Report

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Hi Haveners~

How are you?  First of all, I am sorry that I haven’t been keeping up with the updates for Haven these days since I am still recovering from all these activities for the project.  But, I did finally finish the report of the event! ^ ^

Ever since the news of Ah In coming to NYC for shooting his upcoming drama 패션왕 came out, many ideas had been floating around from giving Ah In presents to providing meals.  After many discussions, the Haven’s Yoo Ah In New York Snack Project was born.  And, me, being in NY, of course, became the person in charge of Haven’s Yoo Ah In New York Snack Project!

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Seeksik on line! Here is my translation~

Hi~ haveners~

How’s everything? Happy to see you guys again~ ^ ^*

As you already know, I’m Stacy~ ^_^ (a habit staring at YOO/ @fascinatedwithU) I haven’t written on haven for quite a while. Now I’m very glad I’m finally able to post YAI’s latest tweet mention again. Hopefully, there will be no difficulty for you to understand my transcription and catch the point of YAI’s mention~ Thanks for reading my writing in advance~ ^_^*

Anyway, please read his tweet mention first.

논리에 대한 긍정과 지지를 화자에 대한 옹호나 숭배로 와전시키지 말 것. 남일이라 참 쉽기도 하겠지만 어디 한번 두고보자! 간단하게도 저질러버린 비하와 왜곡의 화살이 당신에게만은 피해 날아가란 법 있을런지.

Don’t misrepresent (someone’s) affirmation and support on the logic as a vindication or a worship for the speaker. You can go shooting your mouth off just because it’s not your problem but well, let’s see! You could easily speak depreciatingly (of others) and distort (the truth) but (you should remember) the arrow you shot will return against you.

His mention could be considered quite political and aggressive. I’m not actually interested in politics but I’m aware that a lot of people are frequently offensive and degrades others in the general political or social atmosphere. With the development of the Internet and on-line communities, many people continue to thoughtlessly speak depreciatingly of others and distort the truth on the Internet on delicate issues. Our YAI who must be critical-minded about political or social issues warned that their behaviors might boomerang on themselves. So I think he really wanted to say that we should watch what we do and say even in cyber space and shouldn’t throw the arrow which will return against us.

I’m sure you could understand YAI’s tweet message and my interpretation. As I always said, they are just my thoughts and there might be some errors or misinterpretations~ If you have something you’d like to correct in my translations, please feel free to reply and point it out~ ^_^

Last but not least, I’d like to thank our new K-translator, Jamie nim (@KimCamuiChan) who could explain on twitter last night what YAI’s tweet meant~ Thanks a lot for your kind work and welcome to yaihaven! We haveners ask for your continued help~ ^ ^

I just hope I will help you out to understand YAI’s tweet messages better!

Have a nice time with our ‘critical-minded’ YAI!! ^ ^

Seeksik online! ^ ^ Here comes the translation~

Hi~ haveners~

How’s everything? Really nice to see you again~ *^ ^*

You guys probably know me, I’m Stacy~ ^_^* (a habit staring at YOO/ @fascinatedwithU) You know what? I spent my time translating YAI’s latest tweet mention again in this middle of the night~ Sleepless in Korea~ LOL~ ^ ^ As usual, his message was too ambiguous but I just did my best to put it into English! >_< Hopefully, there will be no difficulty for you guys to understand my translation and catch the point of YAI's mention~ Thanks for reading my translation work in advance~ ^_^*

내 의지와 상관없이 여기에 와서 내 의지와 상관없이 떠나야 하는, 그 복판의 이것은 내 손에서 벌어진 일이었으면 좋겠다. 처음과 끝은 말더라도 여기서는 내 의지였으면 좋겠다. 쉬어지는 숨에 살아지는 인생에 떠밀려가는 세월만은 말았으면 좋겠다.

I came here regardless of my will and should leave here regardless of my will again, I hope this thing in the middle of the situation can be progressed by myself. Though I can do that neither at the beginning nor at the end, I hope I can do it by my own free will right here. I don't want to be a being who lives as time passes simply because I'm breathing and alive.

As a matter of fact, YAI's latest tweet mention suddenly popped out even as our dear mathed nim was finally getting together with K-haveners in Seoul last Saturday! ^ ^ Are you wondering what they were doing then? They were tasting YAI's favorite food, spicy chicken feet~ (You know~ we Koreans call them 'Dakkbal'~ LOL~) in the exact spot where YAI met Maxine Koo in Launch My Life 1-1! ^ ^ You call it just coincidence, but I'd like to think YAI really welcomed our mathed nim by tweeting his own message~ ^ ^ And I'm sure she must've been really excited about checking YAI's mention while staying in the place in which he'd dropped by~ ^ ^ Please raise your hand if you agree with what I said, mathed nim~ haha~ ^ ^*

Have a nice time with our 'sweet' YAI! ^ ^

SEEKSIK online! Here are Sophia’s translations. ^_^*

Hi~ dear haveners~ How’s it going? ^_^*

As you already know, I’m Stacy~ (a habit staring at YOO/ @fascinatedwithU)
It’s been a quite long time since I posted something on haven last~ Now I’m REALLY glad I can post YAI’s latest tweet mentions with another K-translator, Sophia nim’s translations~ Her translations are pretty concise and good~ Hopefully, you can totally grasp the meaning of YAI’s messages~ Thanks for Sophia’s quick work for our precious yaihaven and have a nice time~ ^_^*

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SEEKSIK on line! Here are K-haveners’ translations~

Hello~~ dear haveners~ ^ ^*

Long time no see~ How have you been? ^_^*
As you already know, I’m Stacy~ (a habit staring at YOO/ @fascinatedwithU)

As a matter of fact, I’ve been so busy working in my real world~ TAT; I’m afraid I couldn’t spend much time translating YAI’s articles and vids~ However, I couldn’t help trying to invest my time to translate and interpret YAI’s thoughts ’cause his unique tweet mentions finally popped out! ^ ^ In addition, I have to say I’d like to REALLY appreciate another K-fan, @sophia0s nim’s quick translations~ Her translations are pretty good~ She also gave her consent to be another K-translator for you haveners!! Yay~~ ^ ^ And then, I’m posting @sophia0s nim’s translations now in celebration of her acceptance to be a translator for you haveners~ ^ ^

Anyway~ here are YAI’s tweet mentions and translations~ ^ ^

자신이 있어서 목숨을 내놓은게 아니다. 목숨을 내놓고 보니 자신이 생기더라. 그래야 살아지는게 이십대의 절반이었다. 골백번을 죽을 각오로 질기게도 잘 살았더랬다. 죽어도 아쉬울것 없어서 죽을만큼 잘 살았으면 좋겠다. 자꾸만 구차해진다. 아까워서.

I was confident of myself so I sacrificed my life. It is not true. I sacrificed my life so I could get the confidence. During the first half of my 20s, I lived like that. I have survived death tenaciously. I really want to live well. Often being pathetic, it’s too precious to lose.

And I also found some relations between words in sentences with YAI’s other tweet mention. As you guys already know, YAI quoted some passages from a famous literary work. (The Fruits of the Earth – Andre Gide)

내가 살아서 못 다한 젊음의 열망이 내 죽음 이후에까지 남아서 나를 괴롭히게 되지 않을까 두렵다. 내 속에서 원하고 있는 모든 것을 이 땅위에 털어놓고 나서 더 이상 바랄 것이 없는, 빈 몸의 완전한 절망 속에서 죽기를 나는 희망한다. – 앙드레 지드

I’m afraid that my desire of youth which I couldn’t accomplish during my entire life would still stay even after my death and distress me. I hope that after I have expressed on this earth all that was in me wanting to be expressed-I hope that I may die satisfied and utterly hopeless. – Andre Gide (Thanks a lot~ Francesca~ ^ ^*)

According to his messages, I think, he seems to be really introspective while writing them down. We could also recognize his whole attitude to life. Although he’s still young, he’s confessing that he’s lived so fiercely throughout his entire life. Everyone knows few things can affect our whole quality of life as strongly as our attitude can. And YAI has a reputation as someone who has a strong ego and gives it his best shot to live fiercely. Furthermore, he shows his strong attachment to life through his messages. He felt so regretful over his vanishing youth that he should say he’s often being pathetic. But I don’t think he would have many regrets about his whole life as long as he lives with strong convictions about being honest to himself and works professionally. I surely think he can achieve anything he wants the moment he has a strong faith in himself as well. A few things we can do while watching the introspective guy are just that we send messages of support with all our hearts and hope that he is not losing his beliefs and convictions not only as an actor but also as an individual.

As I always said, they are just my interpretaions and there might be some errors or misinterpretations~ If you have something you’d like to correct in the translations, please feel free to reply behind this post and point it out~

We just hope we will help you haveners out to understand YAI’s messages better~ Don’t you think so, @sophia0s nim? ^ ^

Have a nice time with our introspective YAI! ^ ^

YAI Haven looks for new K-translator(s)

Hello Haveners~ (to borrow from Mathed’s signature greetings. I’m trying to be nice like her here 🙂 cuz I have some announcements)

SUB ME 🙂

FIRST, as you may know, Yoo Ah In reality show is currently airing, and more vids of him are released. Our Jaeshinah and Ink-ssi are not available at the moment. The only persons in charge of subbing YAI videos for us are Stacy-nim and Mathed-nim. The works have overwhelmed them lately, so we turn to you for help! Any K-translator out there?

If you would like to be in the subbing team, please drop a comment below. Works won’t be burdensome at all. We’re happy with whatever help we can get (subbing even half of a vid, timing, editing etc…)

SECOND, if you want to translate stuff on Haven into other languages, please feel free. Our goal is to SPREAD THE VIRUS, so we don’t intend to monopolize our Yoo Ah In’s goodies, unless otherwise stated.

THIRD, does anyone here work in or know anyone works in a subbing team? If yes, we can co-ordinate to prepare subbing for Ah In’s new movie Wandeukee.

AinSunFlower Welcomes Haveners to Join the Cafe

Hi Haveners~

Few weeks ago, when I joined the Ainbaragi Cafe (Naver Ah In Cafe – AinSunFlower), I received a message from the manager of the Cafe~ According to her, they don’t know too much about international fans~ And they would like the help and support of YAI from international fans too~ This Cafe was established last December~ It is also, as far as I know, the only one that do not need the alien registration number to register~

Just to give everyone an overview of the Cafe, it has a special page for international fans~ It also holds supporting events for YAI~ Some of you might recall the effort they put in last month when Ah In’s new movie started filming~ All the food and the presents they prepared are amazing~

Even though the Cafe are opening their arms to international fans, in order to register with Ainbaragi, you will need to register with Naver.  And of course, most of us do not understand Korean.  Therefore, registering with a Korean website is quite challenging.

[*I just learned that the Cafe is lowering the age requirement from at least 30 years old to 20 years old only for international fans for now!  So, if some of you tried to register with the Cafe but did not success due to the age, you should try it again~^^~]

Thanks to Eva, the manager of the Cafe, below you can find instructions of registering with Naver and Ainbaragi:

1. Go to http://www.naver.com homepage:
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